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i was watching some really bad performance on tv by lil john and thems..
it was terrible, they didnt even know the words to their own song.
they just said "ugh" over and over and now and then said the last word in a line.
and everyone was still liking it.
it was the most disgusting thing in rap ive seen i think.
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stupid people taking 50 cent as hip hop...
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to eclstchyld
i dont know what you are talking about? hip hop is originally called rap. hell no hip hop has been around a lot longer. as you must already know hip
hop is made up of 4 elements, GRAFFITI, DJ'ING, BBOYIN, AND "MC'ING" THE MC IN MY EYES SHOULD NEVER BE CALLED A RAPPER. even if
KRS ONE calls himself "the god fater of rap" see you got it upside down. MC's would roc the house, the park wherever they had to. later
peoplr started calling them rappers and as time went on it has got to this. either way the MC is "the Master of Ceremony" he controls the
cowd with feestyles, he keeps the vibe roleing, he introduces other mc's and is quick off the top of the dome. now on another note. i wouldnt say
oh all rappers suck. i would call Big L a dope underground rapper. and the last thing eclatchyld, open your eyes how could you say hip hop is a black
culture. that is a very dum thing to say. hip hop is worldwide. every race. they come together to show the element(s) they can rock and how they put
there soul and style into it. i rock graff and bboyin. and love hip hop to death. oh about rap music, jazz, r &b , and soul joining into it. well
jazz has a long time ago and it sound dope. but r & b is just killing it. i hope you learned something. im sure you could teach me something too.
study a little more. bboy oreone
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by bboy ore oneopen your eyes how could you say hip hop is a black culture. that is a very dum thing
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thats what i say to my mom all the time, she thinks that im trying to be black or something because i listen to hip hop, but that is a very dumb thing
to think.
ps, eclstchyld is long gone.
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| posted on 26-6-2004 at 01:13 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mezr
| Quote: | | Originally posted by bboy ore oneopen your eyes how could you say hip hop is a black culture. that is a very dum thing
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thats what i say to my mom all the time, she thinks that im trying to be black or something because i listen to hip hop, but that is a very dumb thing
to think.
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dude i so feel you on that. My dad is a cold hard white dude and he thinks the same *ish. Unfortunatly my sister is a lil jon fan so when he hears her
stereo that's louder than mine he assumes im jamn to the same thing... man if he only could see
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| posted on 26-6-2004 at 02:16 AM |
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lil jon, "yyyyeaaaaaaaahh."
is that all he says, sad excuse for a voicebox. ack.
but yeah, i remember when i listened to hip hop before commercial rap was popular, and everyone said i was trying to be black. now look at the rest of
them...
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Hip Hop:
Common
Tribe Called Quest
Nas
Canibus
Atmosphere
Rap:
Lil Jon
Ludacris
Cube
Ja Fool
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This dicussion can come to a close very easily...
... just like this... "Rap is somethin you do, Hip Hop is somethin you live".....
thats all there is to it... All this "rap is whats on the radio, and hiphop is the underground" is bullshit in my opinion. its all
one nation under hiphop...it just happens that what most people think is good, what is pushed by the media, fucking sucks giant loads of rancid ass.
The underground hiphop just happens to be the good stuff, that hasnt lost its integrity yet. people that sell out, arent sell outs because they get
famous and make a lot of money...they are sellouts because they change their sound and conform to the media in order to get famous and make a lot of
money. and that, my friends, is the dif between hiphop and rap....or lack there of.
"I remember the days these cats battled for fame
For equipment or paint, for their honor or name
But since me and hiphop's just one and the same
I'll be huggin' the tracks, but who's conducting the train"
MYSPACE.COM/PERCEPTUAL
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ill agree to that.
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IM(humble)O........
Rap is something you do and is the name of a style of music where vocals are rapped rather than sung.
Hip Hop was the name given by magazines and TV to put a name to what was happening back in the mid-late 70's into the early 80's in the BX
(ie. dancing, graffiti, djs rocking breaks, etc.) sort of a taxedermy of popular culture if you will.
As times changed Hip Hop have come to mean the music style involving poly rhythms, sampled breaks, turntablism, as in downtempo, or breaks. Or Hip
Hop can also be another name for Urban Comtemp. radio format which includes R&B, and rap be it underground or above ground or pop.
But Hip Hop can mean something different to others. Hip Hop to some (who usually describe themselves as Hip Hop purists)define Hip Hop as the
collective name for the four elements that include MCing, Breaking, Writing, and DJing.
To me Hip Hop describes an aesthic of living, a culture, which is always changing.
.........Here is a question; what is the difference between a MC and a rapper??
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This whole thing about Hip Hop describing underground, and rap describing the pop ish is too simplistic.
Music is always going to be pimped out and there are tons of reasons why people make records -some for fame, some to get l@!d, some to get paid,
some to put something out new, some to express themself, etc.
If you are reading this forum I'm sure you're a more critical listener-consumer than those that only listen to music when they get in
their car and listen to their local "JAMZ" station and just want to hear something with a nice beat and sing-a-long chorus. There's
even people who go out and buy a CD 'cause they like the video they saw on TV!
I think rap music or Hip Hop and music on a whole is divided up too much (ex. underground, gangsta, booty rap, east, west, dirty south, rock, jazz,
etc.) I think if one is really into music, one can find good things in all that is out there rather than just limiting themselves to their
little division.
Yeah I can't stand the corny @ss so-called lyrics in these radio rap songs but sometimes I'll feel how they hooked up a drum pattern or how
their flow went in a verse or I'll feel how they used reverb in a part, or how the song structure goes -but honestly I can't stand to listen
to pop music for more than an half hour.
So I think it would be elitist to call a song or artist Hip Hop, and another song or artist rap -because when it all comes down to it music is
entertainment and rather it is good or bad depends on the taste of the listener
........I'm rambling, sorry
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1 more thing before I go to bed to sleep..
Back in the day before Hip Hop had a name people where doing their thing, they didn't need a name to describe how they where living. Before Rap
music or Hip Hop music was out -DJs where rocking music that would make the crowd rock be it rock, jazz, disco, salsa, whatever. Now a days people
are so obsessed with naming $h!t and putting in to neat categories.
If one really wants to get into the true spirit of what "Hip Hop" was about "Back in the Day" one would rock their $h!t
original. Not only with the clothes they wear, music they rock, whatever, but with their way of thinking rather than biting off what the corporates
(ex. McDonalds, MTV, your local ClearChannel radio affiliate, your favorite magazine) force feed 'ya.
......ok off to bed I go.......
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| Quote: | Originally posted by m71
.........Here is a question; what is the difference between a MC and a rapper?? |
an mc is a rapper, but a rapper is not neccessarily an mc.
i feel that anyone can rap, but not everyone has the ability to mc.
nelly is a rapper, but i would never consider him an mc because he doesnt bring anything to the mic.
in general, under ground artists are ussually mcs. and commercial artists are ussually just rappers.
with exceptions, i think kool kieth is borderline on mc, and i would consider snoop dogg an mc.
you bring many good points to the table.
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Well said mezr. I agree totally. All MCs are rappers, but not all Rappers are MCs. I'd say most rappers could never MC.
I'm sure there's tons of artists that flow on their albums but need editing, studio tricks, overdubs to get their ish right. But take
them to the stage or in a cypher, and they look stupid.
If we look back at the history of MCing it was to get the party started, to keep it going, and to keep people from hurting each other. Then came
Sugarhill Gang who was sort of the N'sync of rap (ie. group brought together to make a record).
Since 1979 rappers have been coming out with records but many have never been in front of a crowd, while the orginal purpose of the MC and their
existance has faded out.
With all that said, I have nothing against rappers that can't MC. I can enjoy both for what they are -a well produced studio artist or a MC
rocking the crowd.
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I've heard a lot of hip hop in my day. I can't really explain the difference but I know it when I hear it.
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| Quote: | Origineel gepost door xenium
moment of truth is really cool, but my personal favorites are militia 1 and the mall 
full clip is dope too and while were at it the MVP mix by premier (big l tribute) is great |
WOW nice taste dude.. I also love Moment of Truth, Militaia and Full Clip !!!! Havent heart The Mall:O
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krs-one said that u will always be just a rapper, until u come to south bronx
bronx is hip-hop, man
rap is the whole world
short and clear
Better Get A New Mic, Kid...
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as someone posted in the begining hip hop is the culture not just the music. hip-hop incorporates all the ellements bboys, djs, grafitti, etc... when
you take things away from that you get rap. rap is all about the rapper not the dj, bboy, or grafitti artist. hip hop cant surrvive with out rap and
rap cant survive without hip hop. its some real ying and yang *ish. hip hop is the blending of all these different styles into not just a culture but
also one single art that entertains visually as well as musically. with that said enjoy what you enjoy but dont try to pass it off as somthing it
isnt.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by eQ
krs-one said that u will always be just a rapper, until u come to south bronx
bronx is hip-hop, man
rap is the whole world
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and this is very true....south bronx and the river houses are like the mecca of hip hop....were it all came together as a culture not just music but
bboys *ish too. birth place of zulu nation
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LEMME BREAK IT DOWN
YOU CANT COMPARE HIP HOP TO RAP. HIP HOP HAS 4 ELEMENTS. GRAFFITI, MC'N, BREAKDANCING, AND DJ'N. NOW MC'iN AINT LYKE IT IS. BECAUSE NOW A LOT OF
PEOPLE GOT MORE LYRICAL OR GOT MORE STREET. SO RAPPING IS A FORM OF MC'iN. YOU GET ME. SO RAP IS A PART OF MC'iN WHICH IS A PART OF HIP HOP. SO RAP
IS HIP HOP.
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now would you say "gangsta rap" ruins hip hops image? because every one says gangsta rap is hip hop wen its not imo
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That's the thing, cats get mixed up on what differs from rap and hip hop songs.
Mezr put up a good Definition of the two, but to me it's common knowledge to scrutinize the two.
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I would say gangsta rap WAS hip hop. It was the way the west coast broke into the hip hop scene. Racial tensions were high on the west coast
culminating in the Rodney King beating, and the gangsta rap that came out of the 80's and 90's was a direct result of this tension. There was other
hip hop going on in the west coast at the same time, like Good Life and other underground ish (Pharcyde, Dialated, etc), but I would argue that when
gangsta rap on the west coast first started, it was definitely hip hop.
Nowadays, that gangsta ish is played out and only a select few can pull it off. Like some of the originals - Snoop, Xibit and the like.
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point taken..very true.. i kinda dont like snoop anymore bcuz he makes traks with the new so called "gangsters"...like young jeezy imo gots
bars..but u cant come out on your first album and be straight gangsta to be in hip hop...like 50 did,lot of the miami and houston rappers are doing
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The new so called "Gangster" rap is not how it used to be.
Gangster rap back in the day was about the struggle in the streets, sort of like hip hop in a way.
Now it's about bling bling raping hoes and getting money, oh wait thats Hip POP!
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yes.. nowa days if you were a "drug dealer" and made a lil paper then maybe u culd buy ur way to a deal...then all of a sudden your a gangster
rapper with a mill inda bank
were as bak inda day they was expressing themselves. like NWA. their aldums was all bout the struggle and the cops bieng racist towards blackpeople
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PuBliC EneMy WaZ a GewD EXaMplE of DiZZ...
but all these south rappers are fags. they think they run the gang but they really killing it. I'll snatch there chain and pistol wipe them. Then
i'll go on a song tell everybody i did it and get my million... O YA!!!!!!!
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Very good example.
Public Enemy.
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another artist aka the godfather of hip hop is KRS-ONE..he dont be doin wat all these rappers do nowadays but can still kill them ona track
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Hell Yea....
KRS-ONE is a LEGEND... ONE OF THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME IN MY BOOKS..
i like his new song "HIP HOP" he bust like nutz on that track
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Listen to "Underground".
Most definitely the Godfather of Hip Hop.
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see heres the thing....when hip hop was first created it was a positive thing. it was born out of the south bronx as something for people to do so
they wouldnt have to turn to crime. people would get together and break dance, dj, rap, do graphitti....it wasnt a gang thing it was a culture thing.
it was truly a diamond in the rough. soon alot of the gang bangers and dealers saw this hip hop stuff becoming popular and being a viable living. they
decided they would take it and see what they could get out of it. thats where gangster rap started to grow. today gangster rap has basically become
corporate. very much the same way gangs organize. hip hop never really changed. hip hop is when you find people on a street corner free styling or
beat boxing. hip hop is b-boys and girls battling wherever. hip hop is not just a way to make money and become powerful. hip hop is a way to unite a
group of people. not just through music. not just through lyrics. but through culture. through ideas and community. that is why hip hop is much deeper
than rap. rap is simply a piece of what hip hop is. with out hip hop there is no rap. with out rap the hip hop culture and mindset can still exist,
but it definitely wouldnt be the same. rap is simply a child of the hip hop movement and culture.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mezr
hip hop incorporates breaking djing graffiti and of course mcing.
and it is underground.
rap is mcs who left the other stuff behind to get the fame and 'bling'.
also, most rap has pointless rhymes that talk about them having money and hoes.
in my opinion so think what you want.
also, you can hear the difference in the music,
not just because of the scratching or lack of,
but the beats are different.
often rap beats have drum samples that sound really bad.
also...rap often steals beats from hip hop...
ex. dilated peoples - worst comes to worst
-this beat was ripped three times...ludicris, jahiem, and some one else.
and j lo stole the classic beat of beatnuts - watch out now. and she stole a sample from std breaks for the same song.
but anyhow...hip hop has meaning and gets your head bobin.
im sure i missed some important facts here but my fingers are getting tired so...peace. |
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What the F*ck ???!!!! HIP HOP is a culture with different subcultures, and one of those subcultures is Rap music(expressing his/her life in the
hood/streets on line bars). Then goes Graffity, BrakeDance and ect.. Yall guys should know this, damn.. And that new so called "hip hop" that came
out with those Solja boys and ect bitches, its called POP(popular music). True rap music is lyrics, not the beats or ect..
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KRS-one recently said himself that "Rapper's" (RAP) are in it for the money and "MC's" (HIP HOP) are in it for the culture.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wlada5
What the F*ck ???!!!! HIP HOP is a culture with different subcultures, and one of those subcultures is Rap music(expressing his/her life in the
hood/streets on line bars). Then goes Graffity, BrakeDance and ect.. Yall guys should know this, damn.. And that new so called "hip hop" that came
out with those Solja boys and ect bitches, its called POP(popular music). True rap music is lyrics, not the beats or ect.. |
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Hip Hip is a sub-culture which broke off from black urban youth culture in the 1970s. Rap is the music of the Hip
Hop culture.
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rap is part of the hip hop culture.
hip hop comprises of, rap (emceeing), dj, graffiti, and breakdancing.
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i agree with Shakir.
But for more details ask KRS-ONE who likes giving definition about Rap and Hip Hop...Rap is something you do..Hip Hip is lifestyle too simple but
true,,,
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