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Hip Hop vs. Rap
Ayo!
What is, in your opinion the difference between "rap" 'n "hip hop"?
I really don't know... you might laugh, but i don'r know any clear definition of "rap" and "hip hop". I read a comment of mezr where he asked
for more "hip hop" instead of "rap" so what's the fucking difference?
-a "kraut" 
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hip hop incorporates breaking djing graffiti and of course mcing.
and it is underground.
rap is mcs who left the other stuff behind to get the fame and 'bling'.
also, most rap has pointless rhymes that talk about them having money and hoes.
in my opinion so think what you want.
also, you can hear the difference in the music,
not just because of the scratching or lack of,
but the beats are different.
often rap beats have drum samples that sound really bad.
also...rap often steals beats from hip hop...
ex. dilated peoples - worst comes to worst
-this beat was ripped three times...ludicris, jahiem, and some one else.
and j lo stole the classic beat of beatnuts - watch out now. and she stole a sample from std breaks for the same song.
but anyhow...hip hop has meaning and gets your head bobin.
im sure i missed some important facts here but my fingers are getting tired so...peace.
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| posted on 19-6-2003 at 10:06 PM |
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THX 4 that information, mezr.
I used to know some beats, i heard on the commercial radio, but wasn't sure, where i knew that from...
i always thought it was the other way round...
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| posted on 19-6-2003 at 11:09 PM |
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nope
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In all fairness,
Raptile f. DJ Roger Reckless.
word to the Big Bird.
excellent rap.
My opinion or rap vs. hip-hop?
...Hip-hop makes you wanna spark a dubliner!
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rap makes me wanna load my tek-9
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GET THE fluke OUT!
people are idiots....the gangstarr album is far from sellout material.....it's a classic album....just because they have success doesn't mean
they've sold out...and you peep that song with Jadakiss...and tell me it's sell out music!!!!!!.....Jada came ill on that song....forget his other
subpar material.....he came raw on the song...and it was for the streets....MTV had it on there....and they had the skills video on....you should
rejoice in the fact that one of the REALEST groups EVER in hiphop has gotten to the top.....and they NEVER sold out to accomplish it.....and guess
what...the track with snoop....is actually good!!!!!!!!......this is the best album to drop since Moment Of Truth.....just take a seat...chill
out....pop the cd in...and enjoy.....thats all i can say to people who think they've sold out....i love this album....it's a classic....im buyin it
ASAP....
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| posted on 24-6-2003 at 02:46 PM |
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nothing will ever beat full clip though.
but jadakiss...aint he a ruff ryder?
i mean *ish.
i personally dont dig that song.
maybe they didnt sell out but they are kinda leaning that way.
as they gain the fame, there is a demand to sell out for the loot.
peace.
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personally you dont dig the song...so they've sold out???
you're a class 1 idiot.....just because they're successful and their album has the potential to sell major units it doesn't mean they're selling
out....wtf is that *ish....their sound is still as raw as it ever was....have you copped the whole album?????NO....it seems you haven't...cuz if you
did....you'd know way better.....and plus Jada didn't spit some weak ass commercial rhymes...he came hardcore and gutter...spittin a verse for the
underground....just because you see them on your TV and hear them on your Radio doesn't mean they've sold out...did they compromise their sound to
sell out?????NO...they didn't.....it's still the same raw sound you have come to expect from gangstarr over the years.....they're far from selling
out....and im actually offended that anybody would throw out that notion.....
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I agree with u Enigmatic One (remember our long ass discussion? haha) about Jadakiss not ruining that song.
I do have to give him props for not spitting the usual verbal manure on that track -- Gangstarr didn't change his *ish up, Jada did. I held my
breath after i saw the title and the song began... waiting for some nonsense, but I didn't hear any. It's a good track. I haven't heard the rest
of teh album yet (only one track with just Guru in it which was good), but it is probably a good catch. I'm going to try and cop it today.
For the sceptical, don't look at it like Gangstarr is flippin around and goin mainstream, it's more teh other way around. He managed to tame the
commercial cats in his tracks. I see this as a good thing, he's drawing the commercial fans more into teh underground rather than going mainstream
himself.
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| posted on 24-6-2003 at 06:37 PM |
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The border starts to blur.
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| posted on 24-6-2003 at 06:48 PM |
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I just heard the song, and it's ok. Even though i don't like Jadas voice, it's unnerving, but i kinda like this song.
peace out
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| posted on 24-6-2003 at 07:33 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Spade
The border starts to blur. |
Yes the border is blurring in some cases. But I still consider Gangstarr to be hip hop and not commercial rap 
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| posted on 24-6-2003 at 08:07 PM |
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Sure thing,
i don't see GangStarr as commercial rap.
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Dead Wrong!
Look, pitting rap vs. hip-hop is analogous to pitting bark vs. tree, or rhythm vs. R&B, wings vs. bird, DNA vs. gene. Rap is an integral part of
hip-hop, and you deeming the two different and seperate doesn't mean *ish. Sorry duke, it's a dumb and useless argument which I've heard too many
times.
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It depends on how you define rap and hip hop. Not everyone has the same definition (regardless of what it really is).
Some view rap as commercialized version of hip hop playin on the radio all day. You can't sit there and say there's not a obvious distiction
between commercial garbage and stuff you can only get on bootleg vinyl.
That is the conversation here, with your correction it should be allowed to continue. I won't argue about the definitions of the two terms but I
know the difference between varying forms of hip hop that people are trying to point out.
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| posted on 28-7-2003 at 09:19 AM |
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Hip Hop Vs Rap
This is a pointless exercise. Hip Hop is the way of life and rap happens to be a part of that way of life. A true hip-hop head will appreciate
graffiti, breakdancing, emcee battles and cuttin n scratchin, but even if he is old skool like myself being into Cold Crush Brothers since 1980, then
he will still appreciate what good cuts exist today and will give props to people such as Gangstarr who are making $$$. It doesnt mean they have sold
out...they have simply become more accesible as hip-hop is now a billion dollar industry. Just remember all you kids....in this bright future you
cannot forget your past and there are many greats from the late 70's and early 80' who are truly the fathers of this music and we should
never forget them.
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| posted on 28-7-2003 at 09:32 AM |
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...DER UNTERSCHIED...
Hip Hop is something you life and rap is something you do.
PACE!
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fear it , copywrite might become a ruff ryder. I heard he won some contract or something. I hope not. All the record labels are scrambling to find
the next marketable white rap sensation that relates to suburban teens.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mezr
nothing will ever beat full clip though.
but jadakiss...aint he a ruff ryder?
i mean *ish.
i personally dont dig that song.
maybe they didnt sell out but they are kinda leaning that way.
as they gain the fame, there is a demand to sell out for the loot.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Spade
Sure thing,
i don't see GangStarr as commercial rap. |
correct sir....
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| posted on 26-8-2003 at 03:04 AM |
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yeah...
i finally bought the ownerz
i still dont like right where you stand
but oh well.
other songs are good
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| posted on 1-9-2003 at 06:08 AM |
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look, its pretty simple:
there is hip-hop and there is hip-pop.
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| posted on 13-10-2003 at 12:57 AM |
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whats with your name? your name is my name.
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| posted on 30-10-2003 at 05:15 PM |
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just flippen back a lill i dont think your an idiot or anything -- no disses here mez but im with em one.
ive only listened to a couple of tracks here too.
talkin bout "skillz" (gangstarr) and other trackes i heard.
i really dont think he sold out i love some their songs and i beleive that i got some deepness in me and i cant listen to that ive got gold in my
teeth i drive a caddy *ish.
gangstarr's albums are tight all of them.
full clip was tight (i still think moment of truth should of been on it)..
aiggggggggght
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| posted on 30-10-2003 at 08:58 PM |
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meh.
i bought ownerz.
its not that they are selling out,
its just that they feature many sellout rappers or whatever.
ie- jadakiss snoop fat joe..
however the song with snoop is suprisingly good.
i still dont like right where you stand though.
i just dont feel it, at all.
i dunno. geez.
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my fav gangstarr of all time is def. "above the clouds" freakin illness
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WHUT THA
Man jadakissmyass is hardcore *ish,bunk wac lame aint happenin.RAP...puffn on my nuts daddy,ludagetthafukout,the last 2 albums of outkast and i aint
sorry mrs.jackson,dmx,ja rule this is a circle jerk of tha new'r RAP out there stay away it'll mess ur head up. HIP HOP... old redmap das
efx pmd chubrock erick sermon keithmurray fat joe GANGSTAR never made it in mainstream.just by listening to it ya know that its HIP HOP,oh ya krs 1 D
nice jeru tha damaja all HIP HOP. BIGGIE HIP HOP 2 PAC JUST PLAIN BAD RAP. Hope ya can dig this its just how it iz.
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Hip-Hop & Rap !!
I see yall still dont know *ish!!!
okay there's two scenario's to the answer to that question...
A. Hiphop was originally called rap but when it became patented in a certain music chart is was called hiphop which is in part a commercialized
name...
Or
B. HipHop is a culture and rap is the music that the people that adhere and live the culture produce and listen to...
but if u ask me my honest answer is this Hiphop is a black culture and rapmusic, jazz r & b and soul etc.. are also other types of music thats
joined to it and more is coming....
Been listenin to beatbasement for 2 1/2 not days years/ if not since they been tuned on/ battle me step get spewed on, you'll need ya head screw
back on/ weak rappin ass rat bastard's gettin steadily clowned on/ in my arena fo' fun/ Daily I stay in ma zone, attitude like a dog hungry
that jus lost a bone/ roamin through the streets, trespassin n' pissin in front of ya home/ on da microphone, ma thoughts is dope like al
capone,s sprayin these pretty emcee's like cologne with da dirrty gritty/ things always pop, cause we hold da tec easy..... dont come through
greasy go ahead, chill puff with a nigga... Let's put something in da wind be easy....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by eclatchyld
I see yall still dont know *ish!!!
but if u ask me my honest answer is this Hiphop is a black culture and rapmusic, jazz r & b and soul etc.. are also other types of music thats
joined to it and more is coming.... |
So what about el-p, aesop rock, eligh, grouch, and alot of other white kids in hip-hop. sure it may be black culture but these emcees
and other producers(peanut butter wolf) are definatly hip-hop, and a integral part of the culture.
Looks like your the one who dont no *ish.
gangstar would be so much worse without premere . But since he is i got no problem with em, just the shity emcees that ryme on there tracks. guru
should no beter than to hang with a joke like fuckin jadakiss.
No church for this religions know/
Cause weve been forced to worship true hip-hop from our homes.
-sole one
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if youre looking for a responese from chyld youre not going to get it.
banned.
but thats true. beastie boys are all white.
so many peoples in hip hop arent black.
djing...so many phillipenos.
bboying...mostly white id say.
graffiti...just about anyone. even those ethiopians are gettin up.
not much is a one race thing these days.
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And i think thats definatly the way it should be, theres so much more that can be acomplished when so many different cultures are brought together
No church for this religions know/
Cause weve been forced to worship true hip-hop from our homes.
-sole one
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its what you can learn from other cultures.
i mean every body's gotta start from what theve already heard but diff culutres produce diff styles beacasue thats where there at.
my fav gangstarr is moment of truth.
i also love betrayl
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| posted on 24-11-2003 at 09:54 AM |
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moment of truth is really cool, but my personal favorites are militia 1 and the mall
full clip is dope too and while were at it the MVP mix by premier (big l tribute) is great
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| posted on 2-12-2003 at 06:21 PM |
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wow... i thought this was a rap vs. hip hop threat?
"rap is mcs who left the other stuff behind to get the fame and 'bling'.
also, most rap has pointless rhymes that talk about them having money and hoes. "
I hope that was ment ironic. Well you are talking about most of the new american Rap Artists you can hear on radio or see on tele but rap is a lot
more than all these rappers that play their "game" in the name of Hip Hop...
Rap is Hip Hop... and Hip Hop is Rap. Spoken word tunes are Rap too...its just a different style to deliver a message.
Black Eyed Peas do Rap, too, but they're not talking about that same *ish every track. It's ok to make money with something you really like,
but if you act like a bitch that has nothing more to do than show up loud and act like a bloodsucking leech or a gangster... you ain't goin to
recieve no respect from others... at least over here in germany... But
anyway...I talked too much allready... u gotta take care of that... even cultures disappear ,)
bläääm bläääm!!!!
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rap=appeasing the deaf and stupid with mundance lyricism
hip hop=real, no doubt real, mentally galvanizing, has substance, and a true manifestation when skill and creativity combine
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i agree gangstarr is raw and still underground despite what anyone says. Guru still has the tight lyrics and Premier is the best man. Ownerz is too
real and hip hop not copping to the rap or chingy *ish
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ya'll don't know nothing haha
alright hip hop= artform, culture , and it is a lifestyle. has many elements.... 5 main ones: b-boying, emceeing, graffiti, dj, beatbox.
Rap= the music inside of hip hop.... hip hop music is the underground scene. and 'rap' is the popular version of hip hop that is on the
radio...
that my friend is all true.
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Top 5 songs of the week:
Atmosphere- Always coming back home to you.
A Tribe Called Quest- Check the Rhime
Eligh- Outhouse (Remember back)
Defari- Bionic 2.
Visionaries- Couch Potato
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EniGmaTiC_OnE
people are idiots....the gangstarr album is far from sellout material.....it's a classic album....just because they have success doesn't
mean they've sold out...and you peep that song with Jadakiss...and tell me it's sell out music!!!!!!.....Jada came ill on that
song....forget his other subpar material.....he came raw on the song...and it was for the streets....MTV had it on there....and they had the skills
video on....you should rejoice in the fact that one of the REALEST groups EVER in hiphop has gotten to the top.....and they NEVER sold out to
accomplish it.....and guess what...the track with snoop....is actually good!!!!!!!!......this is the best album to drop since Moment Of Truth.....just
take a seat...chill out....pop the cd in...and enjoy.....thats all i can say to people who think they've sold out....i love this
album....it's a classic....im buyin it ASAP.... |
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Yall Just Turn Ur Fukking Bakks ON MC's Once They GetBig
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Yall Need To Come Outta Tha Shaddows And Open Your Ears, Just Coz Ppl Sell Records, Dont Mean U Cant Enjoy Their Music
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ps- many rap artists are just hip hop artists who sold out for the loot...like gangstarr recently, and even nas and jay z were once hip hop.
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| posted on 21-2-2004 at 08:35 AM |
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If you think Gangstarr sold out, u best stfu 'cause ur makin' urself sound like a loser. Anyone who thinks Rite Where U Stand is a bad song
get the eff outta here.
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Iight, first of all,You all are dumbasses.
Rap is a subdivision, a VERB of what Hip Hop is.
Hip Hop - Music
Rap - A verb that goes under the definition of hip hop.
Just like how Bboying is a subdivision of what Hip Hop is.
But now a days, rap is considered MUSIC, but it's really a verb.
There should only be one term for the music, which is hip hop, whether it's real *ish or not.
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Most Definately
| Quote: | Originally posted by raW liviC
ya'll don't know nothing haha
alright hip hop= artform, culture , and it is a lifestyle. has many elements.... 5 main ones: b-boying, emceeing, graffiti, dj, beatbox.
Rap= the music inside of hip hop.... hip hop music is the underground scene. and 'rap' is the popular version of hip hop that is on the
radio...
that my friend is all true.
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this dude has got his *ish together....no doubt man its just like that...cept you forgot "digging" on the list...haha
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For equipment or paint, for their honor or name
But since me and hiphop's just one and the same
I'll be huggin' the tracks, but who's conducting the train"
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Yeah man, it's like KRS said...rap is something u do, HipHop is something u live!
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i love this post...
but its like there is no clear definition or clear differences between rap and hip hop, around this point in the thread it seems as if there is slight
diff cos they are the same thing....
could i tell the difference between rap and hip hop if i didnt know the language?
why do we have two diff words for the same genre?
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optimus_prime
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| posted on 19-4-2004 at 04:33 AM |
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my humble opinion:
hip hop is dj-ing, emcee-ing, graff, lifestyle etc all that was aforementioned.
rap is a lyricists vocal style / way of verbally communicating. for instance fred durst raps, that guy who used to lead rage against the machine
rapped. but i would never label their music hip hop.
true musical styles/genres are blending, at times for better and alot of the times for worst. the origins of true hip hop, musically remain unchanged.
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| posted on 19-4-2004 at 05:29 AM |
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I just would like to add that mostly everybody, and anybody can rap, but everybody, and anybody can't be a Emecc. I think for some you'd
have go beyond listening to Hip-Hop to truly understand what I'm talking about, that way you'd know the difference; even if u couldn't
speak the language. Like I could hear a cat in Japan flow and I wouldn't know a word of it, but I'd know it was Hip-Hop. I Just been reading
this thread all the through...lol@ the dude that got banned , he really didn't know what the hell he was talking about. Hip-Hop, in my opinion is
a gift to world, from the man up stairs, for all man-kind to rock to.
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optimus_prime
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| posted on 19-4-2004 at 06:08 AM |
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-ahhh, amen.
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| posted on 24-4-2004 at 12:17 AM |
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i remember the days when DJs had mad respect. Infact no MC can MC w/o a dj.
now a DJ is a background thing.
dont ever try to outshine a DJ cuz he will change the beat in the middle of an MC's freestyle and make him look stupid...HA
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| posted on 24-4-2004 at 12:20 AM |
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sticken to the subject.
hiphop is to keep the soul in tact and openin the mind.
while
rap is to seak fame and fortune by sellin the soul.
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Hip Hop vs. Rap
I agree that there is no clear representation of the line between hip hop and rap..
For me hip hop is an intricate form of broken beat, turntablism, with or without an emcee.. the best part is that hip hop encomapasses both the real
art of the emcee with genious beats.. positivity, realism, enlightenment, harmony.. These are all words which most of us have related to hip-hop..
its that feel good smoke a blunt and let that *ish flow from your veins...its that "smart nigga" *ish(please note the reference and do not
take this the wrong way)... its that vibin', chillin', learnin' head music.. its for every mood and every high... its both captivating
and addictive... And once your in love.. it will be forever.. its heart, soul, and philosophy, modern culture at its best ....A form of expression
.... ART.........HIP HOP IS ART.
Raw, Independent.. Hip hop is life.. expressed in harmony.. musicality mixed with lyric bliss... versitility..open.. mind expanding..
balance...Ecclectic..
See.. I mean I think you could just go on and on.. And well Rap...
Bitches, Hos, Money, Crime, simplistic, negativity, catchy, sheep, "bling", sex, solely motivated by public opinion and money.... and that
is all .. Now this does not mean that hip hop artists do not speak of these things or do not make simplistic or catchy beats.... only that rap
artists tend to stick to these focus on these aspects primarily.
Notice how commercial and underground are not defining elements for me ...
Although personally I listen to more underground.
Hmm.. well, I think I could go on about this topic forever.. and I have....
This is ofcourse all just personal opinion.... and I'm a little enibraited at the moment..... The MOMENT.. Hip Hop.. yeah!! ... .. PEACE....
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| posted on 1-5-2004 at 03:30 PM |
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Just give me only hip hop.
Except that some people say that 50 pence music is hip hop.
From the Hip to the Hop!!!
Keep it G0ing uNtill you Cant StoP.
Passenger 57: Alway's Bet On Black!!
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